Hi, I just wanted to let you know that Harrison Wilcox confirmed that Ultimate Spider-Man, Avengers Assemble (seasons 1-4), and Hulk and the Agents of SMASH are set in a universe separate from Guardians, Spider-Man 2017, and Black Panther's Quest.
I actually brought this up to ARTaylor a few months ago. He wasn't too crazy about the idea of having pages separated but I explained that there was no way all these shows could be a singular continuity. I suggested that we add an "Alternate version" section on the character pages that detail the characters history on the second continuity. And according to Marvel the two universes are:
According to Harrison Wilcox and Cort Lane, the entire Guardians of the Galaxy series is canon to Marvel's Spider-Man, not just season 3. The Road to Maximum Venom video that was put up on the official Marvel HQ YouTube channel also confirms this.
Ultimately it's Marvel's decision to place each series into whatever reality they want despite what the creators had in mind. Officially, according to Marvel, GotG season 3 takes place in a separate reality from season 1 and 2.
Yes, that is true, but Marvel made and put up The Road to Maximum Venom video that supports Wilcox and Lane's clams. When did Marvel state that season 3 of GotG is set in a different universe from the last 2?
Okay, I just checked the Marvel Database and apparently they have changed the reality numbers since the last time I checked. Ultimate Spider-Man, Avengers Assemble season 1-4, Hulk and the Agents of SMASH, and Guardians of the Galaxy seasons 1 and 2 use to take place on Earth-12041. Spider-Man, Avengers Assemble season 5, and Guardians of the Galaxy season 3 took place on Earth-TRN633. But now, Marvel has apparently changed the reality numbers for the shows to this:
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I'd like to see the wiki make some updates, such as migrating to portable infoboxes, getting a customized theme design, and updating the main page design. Do you have any thoughts on that, and would you be cool if I jump in on those updates?
Your help would be appreciated. Just keep me informed what you're planning. I have no particular thoughts on the theme design, I originally went with the current one cause it was close to Marvel's colors. The only thing with the main page I want to do is change the static image to a carousel with each slide being a decade or current/recent works. I wanted to work on increasing navigation on the site. I've made nav boxes for the 90s episodes and some of the shows, but then life keeps happening.
That's great! I'll think a bit on what to do with the design, since the wiki covers so many series. I love that you're focused on navigation, since that can be tricky and it's so important. The top navigation and category structure are impressive, especially considering the scope of the wiki.
For the main page, wiki best practices suggest moving away from sliders (image carousels) since they're not good for visitors. Navigation galleries are shown to be more helpful, so I'd like implement that instead, and we can cleanly feature more content that way.
So I ran into a little problem while naming character links in the "Other Versions" section of the infobox. My problem is that some seasons of the newer shows take place in one reality while other seasons take place in another reality. So for instance:
So I can't label the Star-Lord that appeared in season 3 of GotG as Star-Lord (Marvel Universe) because he's different from this Star-Lord. So do I just label the characters from GotG Season 3 and Avengers Assemble season 5 as (Spider-Man (2017)) or should someone come up with another way to separate this universe from the other one?
Do Guardians and Avengers state within their own show that they are different continuities? I mean, is it like The Flash where there's Pre-Flashpoint and Post-Flashpoint, or like American Horror Story where each season is basically its own continuity?
I'm aware that Marvel Animation has made a mess of their own animated universe by basing it off Ultimate Spider-Man, ending that one show, then bringing in the clearly separate Spider-Man into the shows Ultimate already started. Frankly, I just don't think there's any good answer for us here. I doubt the people who write these shows really consider us wiki editors when they do this stuff.
I don't want to say that some seasons of Avengers Assemble or Guardians of the Galaxy are separate from the others if the shows themselves presents itself as one continuity. We do have a president for this, X-Men. Cable was introduced as a mercenary before become a time traveling cyborg. In Angel's first appearance Cyclops clearly states he has no idea who he is, but later episodes show him as a founding member of the X-Men. No explanation was given for either. That was just one show with a mostly consistent set of writers and producers. That's not even counting characters with appearances across multiple shows like Silver Surfer, Hulk, Spider-Man, or the Avengers. For them, we just write the biography as best we can and explain in the background section about the inconsistencies.
Unless there's an explanation in-series, or at least something behind-the-scenes from someone officially associated with the shows, leave Avengers and Guardians in the same continuity. Continuity within a single series is more important that cross-series continuity. If someone reading the site just wanted to follow the characters of Avengers I'd rather they not get overly confused about what character(s) they're reading about just because of the '17 Spider-Man.
As far as Spider-Man '17's appearances on the other shows, I don't have any great answer. Like I said, it's a mess cause they focused on cross-promotion rather than consistency. I myself haven't watched either of the new latest Spider-Man shows, but I highly doubt they could fit together. Spidey's appearances on Guardians/Avengers could be added to the Marvel Universe character page and explained in the background, though that'd definitely make the Spider-Man page difficult to manage. As lousy as it may seem, I say that in the '17's appearances on Avengers/Guardians, just link to the Spider-Man (Spider-Man (2017)) page.
Marvel Animation didn't seem to care too much about the obvious continuity problems. We will probably have to do the same and just ignore it.
The shows don't out right says it's a different universe but it's pretty clear due to cross-overs. There was no in-universe explination, the final seasons of GotG and AA just started using characters from sm17.
Max Modell from Spider-Man '17 appears in season 3 of Guardians of the Galaxy. Modell never appeared in Ultimate Spider-Man.
Spider-Man and Vulture (using the character designs and voice actors from Spider-Man '17, not from Ultimate Spider-Man) appeared in season 5 of Avengers Assemble.
Kraven the Hunter from Spider-Man '17 appears in Avengers Assemble season 5. Again, not the same version that appeared in Ultimate Spider-Man.
A lot of the continuity errors from X-Men can be over-looked or easily explained away. This can't because the shows clearly use versions of characters from 2 totally different shows. There is no way we can explain that all these shows are the same continuity.
Even Marvel considers the shows as two different continuities.  
I do have an idea. Instead of doing separate pages for characters that appear in the two different continuities we could do an "Alternate version" section toward the bottom of the page and state that that version is in the same continuity as Spider-Man '17. That would probably be easier than separate pages. So for instance:
This version of Captain America is in the same universe as Spider-Man.
And then do a biography for his appearance on sm17 and AA season 5.
Could I do this?
It would be more confusing to readers if we talked about both versions in the main biography section. So I think adding an "Alternate version" section toward the bottom of the page would be a good thing.
First, stop using user-generated content sites as your main reference. That's not official Marvel, that's fan-made Marvel Database. IMDb, Wikipedia, Fandom are fine in the absence of anything else. But they're just regular people like you and I. They're flying as blind as we are. If MD's reason for separate universes had an external source, maybe.
Also, don't overthink something when the creators didn't bother. That's the kind of thing that got Star Trek and Star Wars fans in trouble. Obviously, Marvel Animation didn't care too much about what universe was which or they would have put greater effort in separating the versions. Sometimes, obvious problems should be ignored by the audience just like the creators did. Just ask Spot, for example. The creators of The Next Generation just decided that a male cat should have kittens so they made the feline female, ignored established continuity, and opened up a whole can of worms Trekkies had no acceptable answers to. Trekkies came up with numerous possible in-universe explanations, but none really work. The Star Trek wiki, probably the biggest Fandom site, just followed the creators' lead, ignored the problem, and put the contradiction in the background section.
Hey ART, I was wondering if you had any thoughts on highlighting links to the Manual of Style and the various MAU Policies, by placing them somewhere that's easy to discover for new visitors/editors.
There are links to the general Fandom help pages on the Main Page, but none for the specific guidelines used on this wiki. Perhaps they could also be placed on the Community Portal and Special:Community, maybe even the Community Messages on the Wiki Activity page.
Anyway, it's just a small suggestion based on personal experience. I initially had trouble locating the specific guidelines because it wasn't obvious that any existed until I delved a bit deeper. I think highlighting the Manual of Style/Policies would be a great benefit for anyone new to the wiki, and might improve understanding of how things work here, but of course, it's entirely the decision of the wiki community here.
Despite previous disagreements, I think you generally do a decent job here, so keep up the good work!
On the Spider-Man 67 characters, there's an external links box, including links to the Marvel database. Do you want me to include links to the Spider-Man TV series wiki on certain characters, since there should be more detail on specific Spidey TV shows there?
I've noticed that there is some confusion as to who voiced what character on Pryde of the X-Men. The cast section of Pryde of the X-Men says one thing while character pages says another. I also read in the Talk page that IMDb, Wikipedia, and Behind the Voice Actors each had different cast listings. However, if you look at those websites now all three are in agreement about the cast. According to IMDb, Wikipedia, and Behind the voice Actors the cast for Pryde of the X-Men is:
However, I watched several episodes of Fantastic Four's first season and I actually enjoyed them. I even enjoyed first season intro song. I only wish the first season had the same graphics and animation as the second season. Am I dumb or something?
Not at all. Enjoyment is a personal thing and there's little logical or reason to what a person enjoys. You can like anything for any number of reasons. Some people like movies and shows precisely because they are bad.